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There Is No God: Continuing Thoughts on Gun Control

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My friend, a Roman Catholic priest, surprised me.  

“In the Bible it says, There is no God! Go ahead, look it up!”

I did, and of course my friend Father Daly was right. Here’s the full quote from Psalms: “The fool has said in his heart ‘There is no God.’”

My intention here is not to suggest that atheists are fools. Atheists and others who choose no religious affiliation now make up twenty percent of the U.S. population. The Dalai Lama is an “atheist.” Some of my best friends are atheists. I’m not writing here about atheism. I’m writing about prefatory clauses.

As with Psalm 53:2, a prefatory clause opens the Second Amendment. I often see gun rights advocates quote the Second Amendment as “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” But the full quote is “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.”

In their dissent to the landmark 2008 decision District of Columbia v. Heller, four of the nine Supreme Court justices read that prefatory clause as meaning that the right to bear arms was a collective right, not an individual right. “The ‘right to bear arms,’” Justice John Paul Stevens wrote, “protects only a right to possess and use firearms in connection with service in a state-organized militia.” Justices Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer agreed and joined his dissent. But four justices joined Justice Antonin Scalia in declaring the right to bear arms an individual right. That’s how close it was (indeed, how many other landmark cases have been as close?). But absent legislative action, individual right is now settled law. 

What I would hope is that folks who were on both sides of that debate could now agree on the following…

Let’s keep guns out of schools. In the same majority decision quoted above Justice Scalia took pains to note that “the Second Amendment right is not unlimited…The Court’s opinion [the majority opinion that the right to bear arms is an individual right] should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions… laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools…”

As the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association said in a joint statement last Thursday “Guns have no place in our schools. Period.” Armed law enforcement officers (there were two of them) got off a few shots but could not stop the 1999 Columbine massacre; nor could armed personnel stop the massacre at Virginia Tech. As Mother Jones Magazine has reported regarding the 62 mass-murders over 30 years they examined recently, most of the killers got their guns legally, and not one was stopped by an armed civilian. And let’s not forget Fort Hood, where there were 13 killed and 29 wounded… on an army base filled with armed soldiers.  

Would more guns have saved the firefighters who were ambushed and shot to death in Webster, New York this past Monday? Or the victims of the sniper attacks that paralyzed Washington, DC in 2002? In the words of PATCH blogger Robert Herbst “It’s the guns…!”

We should recognize NRA chief Wayne LaPierre's call for more guns for what it is: in the words of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, “a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country… a paranoid, dystopian vision.” The New York Times  called it a “mendacious, delusional, almost deranged rant.” For those who have been following LaPierre’s career this should come as no surprise. Read "LaPierre's NRA was already so crazy back in 1995 that George H. W.  Bush resigned his membership." The full text of President Bush’s letter was published in the New York Times on May 11, 1995.

Let’s ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. The Supreme Court - in the same majority decision quoted above - took pains to support the “historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.” There is no reason we cannot outlaw such weapons, and we should. A buy-back program would be needed to get these dangerous weapons out of folks’ hands. It’s been accomplished elsewhere, notably in Australia (domestic municipal buy-back programs include Los Angeles and San Diego) and we should push to do it here. And we need to ban the on-line sale of ammunition. This would be a good thing; because whatever you may have heard about decreasing gun deaths, according to the Violence Poverty Center using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, while gun deaths remained relatively flat from 2000 to 2008, the total number of people shot went up nearly 20 percent since 2001. “States with low gun ownership rates and strong gun laws,” they found, “have the lowest rates of gun death.” 

Let’s close the gun-show loophole. The loophole defeats any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. We need to push for longer purchase times, and to end “instant” purchase time.

Let’s come back together. Proposals put forth by the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre last week – one calling on the federal government to “create an active national database of the mentally ill,” another asking why “with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school?” - are so-called “big government” or “tax and spend” responses which would cost billions of dollars. While I deeply disagree with LaPierre on these specific proposals I wonder if there might not perhaps be a glimmer of hope here: Is it possible that a new conservative-liberal consensus on government taxing and spending for the public weal is aborning?

If so - while we’d need to be clear that autism is not a mental illness but a neurological development disorder; and while we’d be wrong to blame autism for the Sandy Hook massacre, and while armed guards in schools is a terrible idea - perhaps this newly dawning realization that indeed “it takes a village” will focus us on the need to fight rampant de-funding of programs for those with neurological and psychiatric disabilities, and children’s programs which are already in existence; and to support additional funding for new programs to aid the most vulnerable members of our society.

And as the NRA has now come out in favor of a national database to keep track of folks who have never committed a crime, perhaps they can be persuaded to drop their powerful efforts to thwart legislative attempts to create a much needed federal registry of gun transactions, also by people who have never committed a crime, for use in criminal investigations when gun crimes do occur. 

Is this possible? Well, there’s reason to believe that a shift in attitudes is underway. A just released poll indicates that a bare majority of Americans “now favor major restrictions on owning guns or an outright ban on gun ownership by ordinary citizens and more than six in ten favor a ban on semi-automatic assault rifles.” Indeed, the fact that a new grass-roots anti-gun violence movement called “Newtown United” has taken off in the town where the massacre took place – a traditionally strongly pro-gun area where “dozens of gun dealers, gun instructors, gun repair shops and shooting ranges do a brisk business,” and “regular people... have an arsenal in their basement"  - gives us hope that out of tragedy may come a new understanding.

Finally, let’s have a national discussion on the 2nd Amendment. Let me hasten to underscore that the few gun owners I know personally are all decent, law-abiding folks. Let’s not make matters worse by demonizing each other, whichever side of the issue we’re on. And I understand that suggesting a national discussion on the 2nd Amendment is more controversial than any of the above proposals. But following the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007 we saw the beginning of calls – from the Harvard Crimson, from Salon's Washington Bureau Chief Walter Shapiro, from Benjamin Wittes of the Brookings Institution and others - for repeal of the 2nd Amendment. And now, following the Sandy Hook massacre we have former Seattle policeman Norm Stamper, former Colorado lawmaker Bryan Jameson, Dr. Jeff Clawson, Professor Robert Klose, and the magazine The Economist again calling for repeal or consideration of repeal. We should educate ourselves about these arguments, pro and con. Maybe upon consideration legislative action to repeal the 2nd Amendment is something we will wish to support.

In the meantime…

Please join us at PCS on Saturday, January 5, 9:30 am for National End Gun Violence Sabbath. For more information go to www.ShalomPCS.com

Please sign the petitions at One Million Moms for Gun Control, Demand A Plan, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and We The People.

Please purchase a “We Are Newtown” bumper sticker, proceeds to go toward a memorial to the victims.

Please read my previous post on gun control. 

Your comments are welcome.

Rabbi Mark Sameth is the spiritual leader of Joyful Judaism: Pleasantville Community Synagogue an inclusive, progressive synagogue – with members from twenty towns, villages and cities all across Westchester, NY 

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Joel January 3, 2013 at 12:56 am
Maybe I am a puffed up boaster, only worthy of your disdain because I believe in our Constitution. However, I wish nothing more than to protect me and mine. I believe in family above all else. My father served in the Korean War and never spoke to me about what happened there.
You have no right to try to take away my ability and obligation to protect my family. No right at all... Bad guys have guns. That is a fact. If they come into my house and try to harm me or mine I will be able to defend myself. Period. If you wish to be a statistc, so be it. If you served, as you say, in Viet Nam, thank you for your service. You should know better than most the cost of freedom.
John Martin January 3, 2013 at 12:56 am
Nothing like changing the argument when you finally realize that your position is indefensible.
noname January 3, 2013 at 12:58 am
Oh my,
I'm sorry for the misspelling of Martial Law....sometimes I type too quickly wanting to espress the need for others to know, that I spelled it phonetically....my apology.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 12:59 am
Alas, I questioned the spelling, but I assumed the fearful noname knew what he was talking about. I should have known better and checked the spelling. If you were a fair-minded person, Mr. Martin, you would have noted this circumstance and not have been so unkind. I note that it is only my misspelling you criticize, which leaves the impression you are biased against progressives and give offenders you agree with a free ride.
It is not the spelling that counts in the end, it is sincerity that matters. I hope someday you will understand this and refrain from the cheap shots, even very clever cheap shots.
John Martin January 3, 2013 at 01:03 am
Cirrus, your circle must be pretty small. Although you know the 41st president of the United States? Wow, you must be something special!
"puffed up boasters"? What exactly do you mean by that? The only puffy posters here are the ones indulging in the hyperbole of the uninformed gun hater. bravado boys? Really? Oh my, you are droll. Your dad I might have listened to - you? What 'real world' experience do YOU have?
Jon Gibson January 3, 2013 at 01:04 am
I'd pay for you ALL to stop.....I think you all have beaten this one to death.....
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 01:04 am
Oh, Mr. Martin, I note that you misspell my name, but that's okay. In the great scheme of the universe, it is an inconsequential error.
samely January 3, 2013 at 01:09 am
i'm with jon gibson. time to close this thread.
cirrus January 3, 2013 at 01:09 am
We chipped away at slavery (maybe that should be reinstituted?) and women voting (wife or girlfriend willing to give that up to restore the document written long ago?
Wait aaaaaaa moment! Jefferson had owned many human beings!, sorry, I forgot about that great "founding father to land owning white men" old documents are for the times they are written for.
cirrus January 3, 2013 at 01:21 am
Andrew,
Pres Obama killed less than the very diligent defender of human dignity, GWBush. Check the stats on his indiscriminate killing od innocent Iraqi children.
cirrus January 3, 2013 at 01:28 am
Joel,
No comments about Pres. G H W Bush letter to NRA. I was certain you would comment on that liberal fool of a ww2vet and lifelong servant to his country.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 01:29 am
I think training of gun owners should include the following, among other things:
(1) A child is not physically capable of operating and firing a high-powered weapon such as an uzi. Handing a child a weapon such as an uzi containing live rounds could result (and has resulted) in death or severe injury to that child. (2) If you are out hunting in the woods, and think you see a deer, before firing your weapon, use a pair of binoculars to confirm that what you are seeing really is a deer, otherwise you may mistake a dog for a deer and accidently shoot the woman who is walking her dog in those woods. (3) If you are out hunting in the woods, do not use your rifle butt to try to break up a clump of leaves on the ground, otherwise your rifle may discharge, shooting a round into your hand. (4) Do not fire on beagles or other dogs who may be chasing deer or other animals in the woods. All the above are lessons based on real experience.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 01:41 am
I think MrsSmith has an issue with progressives. I guess she thinks that freedom of speech only applies to those she agrees with. I'm afraid the founders would be quite disappointed in her views. And is it just possible Mrs. that my comments do not make sense to one who does not want to think about what I have written? After all, life is so much easier when one can just rely on one's prejudices instead of thinking.
John Martin January 3, 2013 at 01:47 am
You did read my comment on the rarity of hunting accidents, right? Of course you didn't.
You did read the comments on the requirements to get a gun permit in Connecticut, right? Obviously not. Have you ever hunted? This is another easy one - not bloody likely.
John Martin January 3, 2013 at 01:51 am
Very inconsequential, I agree. Martial law, however, is something that shouldn't be bandied about if you don't know what it is - regardless if you know how to spell it or not.
And once again, you ignore several real world instances of martial law being used in the United States. What peaceful protesters? The Occupy thugs in Oakland? Real peaceful. Grow up, Maria. Your revisionist perspective on events are far too easily countered to be worth the effort you invest in them.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 01:53 am
That's okay, noname. But I hope you realize I was the one who was criticized quite mercilessly for accepting your spelling. The price for being a progressive, I suppose.
John Martin January 3, 2013 at 01:57 am
Biased towards progressives? I am biased against anyone who through malice aforethought or blind ignorance posts inaccurate commentary.
Not only is your spelling wrong, but your position on the use of martial law was wrong. And frankly, you don't deserve much in the way of kindness or gentle handling because you are odious. You refuse to admit when you are wrong - despite at least a dozen examples on this thread alone. I have liberal friends - heck, I have liberal relatives - who I can discuss such topics and maintain a level of interesting, intellectual, and respectful discourse. You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the so-called 'progressive' element in our society. You consider yourselves to experts on things you know nothing about. And that, madam, is tiresome.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:04 am
I detect a certain hubris here on the part of a few males commenting on this thread. But I agree the thread has run its course.
I do not think the Newtown tragedy will be forgotten. We are not the same country we were a few weeks ago. And I think it will be those touched most deeply by the tragedy--the residents of Newtown--who will lead the efforts to lessen the likelihood of this type of tragedy ever occuring again in the U.S. Newtown residents have already begun those efforts. They have my sympathy and my support.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:09 am
And I always thought my comments were just as welcome as those of the far right, Mr. Freedman. Do you wish to prevent the speech of progressives? The founders would be very disappointed in your mean-spirited views.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:12 am
It might help if you would check before making such a mean-spirited comment, Mr. Martin. I can see that you do not read food labels.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:18 am
I shall pass on your kind offer, DHHS. Blame it on the falsetto. Is it really called the Stag Arms?
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:22 am
The hostility level has really jumped. Is it the late (for me) hour?
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:32 am
I was thinking of the peaceful protestors in Seattle.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 02:34 am
And Mr. Martin, your hostility is tiresome.
Voice of Reason January 3, 2013 at 02:42 am
@ Maria Giannuzzi. How about the following:
Treat all guns as if they are loaded. Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy or kill. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it. Keep the gun unloaded until ready to use. I grew up around guns and these are the things my family drilled into me for as long as I can remember. Oh snap! The NRA also preaches these things too. I don't know any gun owners that would do the things you mention. Though your number four, I believe there still is a law on the books allowing one to shoot a dog for running deer but that doesn't change the fact that I can't think of one gun owner that would do that. As for those things happening in other locales. I know there have been relatively rare occurrences but, simply put, there are stupid people involved in everything. That being said, many of the proposed Gun Control Laws would only serve to make me a criminal or subject me to undue seizure, all this without any evidence that I may commit a crime before or after the new Law. Sounds like profiling to me and I've been told that profiling is a bad thing.
James Bond January 3, 2013 at 03:04 am
Ed,Joel,John and a few others try like the dickens to push aside anyone who is not NRA (Not Reasonable Americans).Sad,pathetic,and irreverent are the best ways to discribe them.They just don't get it..............they're wrong AND most of America dosen't stand with them or their sky is falling attitude.It must be very sad to have such a obtuse minds.
Maria Giannuzzi January 3, 2013 at 03:06 am
Cirrus' comments reminded me of a story told by a World War II combat veteran. The veteran had served in the infantry in Europe and took part in the Battle of the Bulge if my memory serves me correctly. He survived the war and when he returned home one of the first things he did was to go hunting, a pastime he often enjoyed before the war. Spotting a small animal (I don't remember if it was a rabbit or a woodchuck) he raised his rifle and fired off a round, hitting the animal. He approached the mortally wounded animal, and then watched as it struggled to breathe until the life left its body. The veteran returned home, put away his rifle and never went hunting again.
Joel January 3, 2013 at 03:23 am
Hey, great. You got out your dictionary. Obtuse. This from the guy with the definition of the century. "An assault weapon is a weapon that assaults." I am impressed.
Go back to youtube and leave the discussion to grownups. Sad, very sad... And BTW, what makes you reasonable?
Joel January 3, 2013 at 03:50 am
I guess you are a vegetarian, don't wear leather, fish is out of the question, and you just say no to poultry. Please tell me that this is the case. I would hate to think that you are a hypocrite.
No beef?
John Martin January 3, 2013 at 03:51 am
Really, 'James'? And where exactly are you getting your information? According to Gallup and others, the NRA still has support from over 50% of Americans polled. In fact, 4 out of 10 people who don't even have guns have favorable opinions of the NRA according to the poll.
Push aside your arguments? Insults and rants aren't arguments. Hubris, Maria? Yeah - yours. You make these broad generalizations - claims you can't back up and have no means to substantiate. When you are called out, you toss out these platitudes. Why? Because its easier than trying to repair the ruins of your flawed arguments. The problem here is that you make claims, people counter them using real history and real facts. You don't like that. So you change the topic, or ignore the opposing points, or just say the same things over and over and over again. In the case of Mr. Bond, it is mocking people without making one cogent argument. Not. One. Your story about the veteran who shot the little animal and watched it suffer? Pathetic. A good hunter won't take a shot unless they are confident they are going to have a clean kill. And any hunter worth his or her salt carries a knife to humanely and quickly kill an animal who is shot but not yet dead. I buy this one about as much as I buy your arguments on marshall (sic) law, your insight on firearm education, and your discourses on history.
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Bonnie June 7, 2013 at 08:36 am
I believe in the concept of charter schools. Saw some very good ones in inner cities that workedRead More very hard and made some progress. But I thinks for every charter school that opens a failing public school should close. Why perpetuate failure?
Bonnie June 7, 2013 at 08:33 am
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Spiff June 14, 2013 at 05:27 pm
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