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Some Ground Rules for the Debate on Gun Regulation

I am only interested in one thing, and that is in finding the best solution to the problem. The problem with extremists and fanatics is that they only care about pushing their cause, not about solving the larger issue at hand.

I don't own guns and I don't mind if people do, within reason of course. And that’s the problem our society is struggling with right now — what is reasonable around gun regulation.

Step 1 is easy. Define the problem. I offer this up for starters: “What do we do as a society to reduce the likelihood of another tragedy like Sandy Hook, without excessively infringing on the individual?” It really does come down to how to balance the good of the many vs. the good of the individual.

Step 2 is research and that’s a problem. Research takes time, effort and resources. Few are willing to take these steps, but they will still seek to offer up their uninformed opinions anyways. I have said before that I don’t believe in the adage “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.” I take a different view: “Everyone is entitled to an informed opinion.” Sure, everyone can give an opinion, but it’s obvious that an uninformed opinion does not carry the same weight as an informed one.

I, for one, am going to leave the question of whether or not we, as a society, should regulate gun availability and ownership to those who have actually done the research necessary to make informed decisions around the issue. But I would like to offer up some suggestions for the rest of us while we are seeking to rationally discuss this complex issue.

What I won’t do is allow myself to be derailed from intelligent debate and discussion by extremists, fanatics and the uninformed. There are those few, a tiny few, who will always live on the extremes, ie. “No one should have guns” and “Everyone should have whatever guns they want”. The vast majority of rational people will see these two positions as extremes and not waste time discussing them. So let’s agree to start the national debate by taking those two extreme positions right off the table. Let’s not waste another moment on them.

I am only interested in one thing and that is in finding the best solution to the problem. The problem with extremists and fanatics is that they only care about pushing their cause, not about solving the larger issue at hand. They come into the discussion from the point of view of protecting their position, not in coming to a greater understanding of the issue. In my book, that makes their input null and void.

As I look over articles in Patch about guns, I very quickly get overwhelmed by the sheer number of comments on these articles. Unlike the typical half dozen to a dozen comments most articles seem to receive, the comments on articles about guns are numbered in the multiple hundreds. And as I read through them, I find a great deal of these comments offer nothing valuable to the discussion. They are obviously extreme viewpoints that just waste a reasonable person’s time sorting through them to get to the reasonable comments.

Of course, that is often the goal — to derail reasonable discussion by falling into the trap of trying to speak reason to unreasonable viewpoints. So in an effort to avoid giving these few individuals more time and energy than they are worth, I offer up these suggestions to keep in mind while discussing any controversial topic and certainly that of gun regulation.

Don’t respond to extremist’s posts or comments. Ignore them completely.
Why give credence to these posts by replying to them? Why treat them as rational by trying to explain why they don’t make sense in the real world? These people take something that is merely “possible” and turn it into the “probable.” These are the conspiracy theorists. These are the people who make the mistake of “because it is possible for something to happen, it will happen.” This was one of my favorite Patch posts around this concept: “Let’s take gun control to it’s logical conclusion which is the complete disarmament of the citizenry. When this happens, what do we have? We have totalitarianism because when only the government has weapons, then the government has all the power." That is not the logical conclusion, it’s only one conclusion. And it’s probably the most unlikely conclusion too. It is simply paranoid and unbalanced to be focused on ending up in a place where the "the government has all the power."

Discuss the issue in terms of gun regulation, not gun control.
Lose the term “gun control” and use the less inflammatory phrase “gun regulation.” Any reasonable, rational person I’ve ever heard discuss this issue has never advocated abolishing a citizen’s ability to own a gun. I’m willing to bet that the term “gun control” was tossed out there as a means to rile up the less informed members of our society and start this whole “they’re trying to take away our right to bear arms” nonsense.

Don’t respond to “They want to take away ALL our guns.”
As soon as someone tosses this one out there, just walk away.

Don’t respond to arguments about the 2nd Amendment.
Let’s stop letting this one derail real discussion on controlling violence in our society. The answer is not going to be found in a discussion about what the 2nd Amendment really means to say. It will be found in looking at what is real in our society today, and then figuring out what makes the most sense from there.

Don’t get lost in definitions that are obvious to the majority.
This is just another tactic to derail an otherwise rational discussion. I found this absurdity in one series of comments on Patch: “You say that these were 'military weapons.' What does this mean? What is the difference between your 'military weapons' and your non military weapons?" Whoever this was, please stop wasting our time. Obviously, the writer meant guns that "spray" a slew of bullets in a moment, it means guns that are designed to be VERY efficient in killing masses of people — as in those used in the military.  This person’s statement shows no interest in solving the problem, merely in muddying the waters.

Ignore what comes out of organizations that have a vested interest in the status quo.
Gun manufacturers, gun vendors and the NRA have a lot of money to lose if tighter gun regulations become a fact. Organizations like these are not interested in the public good, they are interested in their pocketbooks. They are obviously biased and have no place in an open, reasonable and impartial discussion on what is best for our society. These organizations are going say whatever they need to say to stay alive.
We just had the experience of our political parties out-and-out lying — altering reality and history in order to push their agendas. We should certainly learn from that and know that these organizations are going to do the exact same thing to survive.

Don’t let the discussion be only about guns.
It’s a certainty that the issue of the growing violence of the Newtown/Columbine type has more that just one dimension to its cause. To get stuck in an argument over whether or not gun regulation is part of the solution to mass killings in our society shows a complete lack of understanding of the complexity of the issue. To solve this problem, we've got to look at ALL the aspects — gun regulation, mental health policies, parenting, and the glorification of guns and killing in the media and the gaming industry. 

Sami Mehmed Jr January 8, 2013 at 05:35 pm
Great commentary Joel. Thanks for posting. The public is not only uninformed about gun regulation but often uninformed about political candidate positions, however these people have a right too vote. Being informed about any topic is the individuals responsibility, however human nature takes control, whats best for me only, in terms of posting or verbally.
Spiff January 8, 2013 at 06:06 pm
In the spirit of being informed, and having an informed opinion, I would like to share the following:
I've read alot about assault weapons in recent weeks, for obvious reasons, but I think it's important for people to get the facts straight. It is illegal for assault weapons to be sold to or owned by the general public. The AR-15, which is one of the weapons Adam Lanza had in his possession, is not an assault rifle. Assault Rifle is a technical term to refer to a rifle that among other characteristics must support burst or full automatic fire. The AR-15 is a generic term for a sporting rifle that is designed to look like an M16 or M4, except that it is semi-automatic ONLY. The "AR" in AR-15 does NOT stand for assault rifle as the media would like you to believe. It stands for ArmaLite, which is the company that originally designed the AR-15 prototype in the '50s. There are gas powered semi-automatic hunting rifles that function exactly like the AR-15 but look like a regular hunting rifle. The AR-15 shoots the .223 Remington (a sporting round) or slightly more powerful 5.56x45mm NATO round. The .223 Remington is often used for target shooting, varmint hunting, and occasionally deer hunting and is actually LESS powerful than most deer hunting cartridges. Unfortunately, the term "assault weapon" is technically meaningless outside of the military and is a term labeled by politicians and sensationalist media. I just thought it was important to present the facts....
Maria Giannuzzi January 8, 2013 at 09:34 pm
The AR-15 is "designed to look like an M16 or M4," which are military weapons. Now, why do you think a manufacturer would want to design a "sporting rifle" like a military weapon? And why would someone want to buy a rifle designed like a military weapon? Well, I suppose if you can't buy the real thing, you will buy a pseudo military weapon. But in the end the difference is only quantitative, not qualitative. Instead of killing 30 human beings in 30 seconds, the rifle will kill 10 or 15. For those 10 or 15 human beings that rifle is an assault weapon.
Dan January 8, 2013 at 09:35 pm
Spiff, If you can assault someone with it, wouldn't calling it an "Assault Weapon" be correct?
Spiff January 8, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Come-on, Dan, you're smarter than that. Just because I can assault someone with a screwdriver doesn't mean we're going to start calling all screwdrivers, assault screwdrivers! The "technical" definition of an assault rifle as stated is accurate! Again, if it dosn't have burst or fully automatic characteristics, then it is not technically an assault rifle. Just as there are phillips screwdrivers and standard screwdrivers that look very similar to people who don't use screwdrivers, but actually each are very different. Come-on folks, you can't change the technical definition of something just because you want to (as the politicians and sensationalist media have). Again, just stating the facts!
Spiff January 8, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Maria, (chuckling), I will go against my own advice, but only to point out your factual error. Manufacturers DO NOT design sporting rifles like military rifles, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!!! The key word here is that the AR-15 is designed to LOOK like a military weapon, it does not function the same as an M16 or M4, SINCE IT DOES NOT HAVE BURST OR FULLY AUTOMATIC CAPABILITY. Please, I have tried to be as clear as I can, and I'm not sure how else to express my clarity, but just because you say something, doesn't make it so.
If you want to develop a new class of rifle for the AR-15, feel free, but the assault rifle class is already taken. I know, let's call this new class of rifle that the AR-15 will fall into as the Thunder Stick class. All we have to do now is determine the characteristics that define this class. How about a rifle that is designed to look like a military weapon, but does not have burst or fully automatic capability. Bingo, the AR-15 fits perfectly! So, from this point forward, we will debate the Thunder Stick issue! Sound good?
IRTURONG January 8, 2013 at 10:28 pm
the liberal left can put any spin they want and make it stick
A Tolland Resident January 8, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Spiff - I agree, your comment reminds me of this picture...
http://www.firearmstruth.com/2010/is-this-how-the-media-sees-guns
John Dolle January 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Maybe there should be a law regulating assault style box cutters.
How about a law regulating high capacity golf bags.
Glock & Mr8bit January 9, 2013 at 04:38 am
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/
Everyone should check out this article- regardless of which side of the gun issue you fall on. I think it's only natural for us to focus in on the actual MEANS by which these horrible tragedies take place, but we need to question the WHYS. This is a pretty compelling piece that asks some logical questions. I hope more people start focusing on this line of inquiry.
Glock & Mr8bit January 9, 2013 at 04:44 am
And yes I DO realize that the website is absolutely awful and batsh*t (John Brennan is a *gasp* SECRET JIHADIST!!!!) But honestly, regardless of the source, the questions this article raises and the facts presented are all legit.
A Tolland Resident January 9, 2013 at 06:50 pm
@John Dolle
Maybe there should be a law regulating assault style box cutters. How about a law regulating high capacity golf bags. I am more concerned about people with 30 pack of beer than people with 30 round magazines.
Spiff January 9, 2013 at 07:11 pm
The last time I had that many magazines in front of me, I was at the dentist's office!
John Dolle January 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm
High cap mags don't concern me either. The witch hunt media and liberals do concern me, they can turn anything into a mega crisis with their chicken little mentality.
Ed Putman January 11, 2013 at 02:20 am
"Don't talk about the 2nd amendment" Waldron says. That one sentance in the constitution highlights what many on the right feel they have to lose when only the government has guns. Before the idea of publishing gun owner names was proposed, I never felt well protected by a gun here and there in my neighborhood. But with a roll call list of gun owners, a militia could be called to action within a fortnight. I say get the list out before 2014 when Obamacare and marshall law are imposed.
Maria Giannuzzi January 11, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Notice the link between the Affordable Care Act and martial law in the above comment. Does Mr. Putman also see a connection between affordable health care for children and martial law? I bet not. Does he see a connection between health care credits or medical expense deductions on his tax return and martial law? I bet not. The Affordable Care Act will be implemented and his neighbors and fellow citizens will be able to go to the doctor when they are ill. And when Mr. Putnam loses his health insurance, he too will be covered under the Affordable Care Act. And I'm certain he will take advantage of his coverage, despite all his bluster.
Maria Giannuzzi January 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Sorry, it should be Mr. Putman.
IRTURONG January 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm
thank god your heart bleeds for the rest of us, that refuse to pull ourselves up by the boot straps, and act like responsible adults,and take care of what we brought to this earth
Ed Putman January 12, 2013 at 01:16 am
My bad, Maria, for bringing health care into an already over-heated topic. I want to convey that the 2nd amendment gives us only two tools with which to preserve our individual freedoms in that moment when the government or the majority want to take them away. One is guns the other is militias. Each is worthless without the other. Before the proposed listing of the names of gun owners I had no idea how the militia could be contacted. Now I see how it might work. Even with the two elements in place, freedom still seems to be sorely outgunned. Here is my point, this round of gun talk is not the time to ignore the 2nd amendment, but rather an opportunity to bring it to the fore and determine a better way to protect ourselves from a tyranny of one or the many.
And you are right, Maria, as a senior citizen my support or opposition to the Affordable Care Act varies by how easily I was able to pass water the day previous.
Maria Giannuzzi January 12, 2013 at 12:02 pm
A thoughtful response to my comment, Mr. Putman. The second amendment, however, did not help our Japanese citizens, their children and their immigrant parents when they were placed behind barbed wire during the second world war. It was widespread fear (and greed on the part of some), not government tyranny or credible evidence, that was responsible for their internment.
The best defense against government tyranny and government actions fueled by fear is an educated and enlightened citizenry who are willing to get off their couches and advocate for civil rights and ethical treatment for all individuals.
Maria Giannuzzi January 12, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Note: I should have said Japanese-American citizens.
Maria Giannuzzi January 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Medical expense deductions and health care credits are not boot straps, my friend. They are a friendly helping hand from fellow citizens who do not get these tax benefits and thus have a higher tax bill.
IRTURONG January 12, 2013 at 02:05 pm
internment,an illegal executive order by another lib
Ed Putman January 12, 2013 at 02:32 pm
I was six years old and living in Utah when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I have to agree internment was caused primarily by an over-reaction to a horrible event. Even children felt the fear of Japanese, wherever they made their home. In many ways that response is similar to this generation's response to the Sandy Hook tradgedy. Guns certainly caused the havoc at Sandy Hook just as Japanese certainly caused the havoc at Pearl Harbor but hopefully we will not have to look back with embarrassment at what we do now as we must look back today at what we did then. To sneak back to my pet theme, the second amendment. Today it stands as a force of last resort. A point when the first amendment can no longer guarantee your right to advocate for civil rights nor ethical treatment of individuals. If we used Sandy Hook as an impetus, maybe we could build something into the constitution to define personal freedom and to limit big government (and big business) to protect that which we define. At the same time we could build into the second amendment a more comprehesive way of last resort to replace the current plan of using a handful of men with 30 clip assault rifles to restore our freedom. After all, the President of this country has the Army, Navy and Airforce on his side If he decides to be a dictator - what's to stop him?
Maria Giannuzzi January 12, 2013 at 03:43 pm
And an order approved by a conservative U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court could and should have overturned any such order. That is its's responsibility. It too succumbed to fear and caved into those unwise voices calling for internment. The Court failed the Constitution and the country on one of the most important issues of the 20th century.
I think it would be unrealistic to expect one politician (one President) to oppose an onslaught of fear on a massive scale. To oppose actions generated by widespread fear one needs an educated, enlighted and engaged citizenry at all levels of our society.
Maria Giannuzzi January 12, 2013 at 03:54 pm
Well, all it would take would be a couple of generals to tell the President that their loyalty is to the Constitution of the U.S., not a particular President. Of course, they would be forced out, but with enough resignations by generals, lower level officers would also resign. One way to oppose unethical or illegal actions is to refuse to participate, to walk away.
Vernon Taxpayer January 12, 2013 at 08:11 pm
Every individual is entitled to life, liberty and property. natural rights ????
The entitled and natural rights? So no one has an opinion on how they would like to live? Or no consideration is given to the other person? There are no rules and regulations in life? We don't have to obey laws? Do we have any rules or regulations? Are we living in a civilized world? We live in the USA, not some place else. I have an opinion and follow rules, regulations and the law. I do not feel I am entitled to anything that would cause harm to others. Lets stop and think. To entitled and natural rights people we also have a right to feel safe in our town, state and country as well. So stop, listen and find a solution to this problem.
Ed Putman January 12, 2013 at 11:26 pm
It is too gruesome and too true to watch. But it is timely. Thanks for the link, Edgara.
Ed Putman January 13, 2013 at 12:07 am
I agree with you that military loyalty is key to improving the value of the second amendment.
It would be interesting to know if a general's oath is understood to be first to the constitution and then to the Commander in Chief, or does he take an oath to obey the commander in chief at all? Judges on the supreme court seem to have taken an oath to the party of the president who appointed them. How else could they all read the same document and vote 5 to 4 on what it means? For that matter, each President seems to be a high paid legislature. He spends more of his time promoting new laws than he does in enforcing the laws already passed. Both of these short comings would be solved if our president were selected by a delegation from each state as dictated by Article II, section I of the constitution. The convoluted procedure that the parties have fostered on the country long ago has made the three branches of our goverment eating from the same bowl. How's that for confusing this simple gun control issue?
Vernon Taxpayer January 13, 2013 at 03:50 am
Thank You for making my point.

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